Like you, I also live abroad in a developing country. In Latin America, it is as common as drinking coffee. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. I just would like to know if you see that as well? Thanks for all you are doing Chris. There has recently been something in the news about it. Rainfall probably washed the bag into the water. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. The black twigs can be seen growing up, as all vegetation/trees do to harness the sun, but the ones above her are clearly bent in a horizontal and parallel formation. Hi Chris, i uploaded the photo to show what i see. after studying the original photo, she is actually posing sticking her tongue out, in a slight hunched over salute, the light is hitting her hand, her pose and demeanor makes me believe it is Lisanne taking the photo. So, unless there was camera tampering (that may be since one photo was apparently deleted digitally), her hands are not tied. Why were they still in the jungle at 4:39 PM when they made their first distress call? This tribe was not located near the area where Kris and Lisanne disappeared, and therefore, in no way can be connected to the disappearance of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. On closer inspection this and the cave photo appear heavily manipulated. Thank you so much for walking the walk. Plus, corruption in Panamas government is rampant. Wow. Check out David Paulidess accounts of people who go missing every day in state parks. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? They are 99.999999% preventable. The families are now working on having the womens' remains brought back to the U.S., he said. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Gang initiation rights are unknown these small gangs dont have an official policy as you might see with the larger gangs its usually just do as we say and well protect you. "Tourism contributes 10% to EU GDP and creates jobs for 26 million people," notes the European Union Tourism Trends report. Why would that be? They should be alive and flourishing today. Fact. Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. The gangs in Panama are much smaller, usually consisting of between 5 and 30 people. Their bodies were located after more than 690 hours of searching. There is nothing ominous or cause for concern in this particular pic. Ive kept comments on this article open for civil and respectful discussion. I do not think this case fits the criteria of missing 411. How long does an AI correction take for you to do? It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. But absolutely everything points to it being a case of underestimating the jungle and dying from exposure. Or maybe the girls were using the flash as light in the dark. In fact the last 4 (pre-nightime) photos are at odds with the others. And more to the right of the insignia, is that water, an underground river maybe, there is like a light at the end. The white and red object on the left looks slightly like a cows head and what I took to be Kriss tousled hair on the left of her head now looks like the thumb and fore finger of her left hand pointing to the inside of the hut. According to ageographicalexpert, the three-mile stretch is relatively easy to explore, and most missing tourists return without assistance or come across search parties looking for them. I think the camera dried and started working again and they took pictures at night. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. Required fields are marked *, I just gave the brief overall story of what I think happened. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Her hair is also too clean and shiny for someone who has been out in the jungle for 8 days. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Were the photos altered in any way or is this a presumption? Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. I know that their camera and mobile phone photos have been analyzed a thousand times by various people online but I also know that many people arent able to enhance the brightness, contrast, exposure and saturation in a professional graphics program. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. Why not just kill them and leave it be? Well-worn paths do not lead into a pit. It was probably done by the perpetrators in order to collect the reward money. Hi Chris thanks for the link to the book. I think that this is definitely a murder, because of the rucksack. While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. CARACAS, Venezuela -- Few Venezuela ns have not had their lives touched by migration over the last decade, when more than 7 million people left the country amid a political . Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? What I DO see is a very definite path. Thats what I see as well. You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. Los expertos en conductas humanas (psiclogos, antroplogos, etc. Is there a head count of how many people have perished using the hiking trail in, say the last 10 years? It must have been flowing in the river the police said. All of it couldve just gone away.? On April 1, the 21-year-old and 22-year-old went for a walk . Yes! Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. Also there is a consistency to the timing of SOS attempts occurring two times each day +/ a few minutes of the exact same time. ?If they were attacked by people immidiately after this, how they took the photos?? I dont know if youve noticed this or not. Perhaps the truth will come out someday. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. Rocko Akira Clapp. Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. Despite the heat and humidity, Panamanians wear long pants and closed-toe shoes. How come there are so many disappearances in S. America Do the additional photos reveal anything more? Ive travelled through Central and South America quite a bit and these experiences cant be found elsewhere. Could be that they were trying to avoid somebody on the trail, went off the oath & got lost. if both then was the other found in their room? Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. Jumping to conclusions too early, or on the basis of too little and incorrect information is likely to lead to the wrong conclusions. However, according to the Daily Beast: We now know that more than two dozen other victims also were reported in the same region of Panama, including a young woman from the United States found murdered earlier this year. From 2017 . I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. It belongs to the long green leaves we are seeing up there. She ties the red bags to branches so they can spot her if they get near. Did they lose it right at the start of the hike, but didnt bother to go and look for it? I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? For more background and insight, please feel free to read some of the disappearance stories Ive written about: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/. Full remains were found soon afterward and were assumed to be the two missing women. That said, even if there is a structure there, it has been made clear that there are a lot of trails on the other side of the El Mirador that are used by the indigenes, so it wouldnt be surprising to see indications of these areas being used. Again, these are just observations. This story and all the bizarre features surrounding it as strange as they are, are actually very much similar to the thousands that have been put together by former cop and forest ranger David Pauladis series of books Missing 411. If a psychic reading leads to some legitimate form of tangible evidence and made public, then thats excellent, but otherwise I think its mostly a distraction. Then I downloaded the photo and opened it up in my graphics editor. There's no telling how many ships or planes have "disappeared" in the Bermuda Triangle, but the U.S. Navy estimates that around 50 ships and 20 aircraft have gone missing there. I agree with you. Interesting that you. The families of both Froonand Kremers also became concerned when they didn't get a usual check-in call. I was visiting Panama and Boquette July 2014, thats when I first heard about this case and was following it ever since. You said it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation I agree with you that it seems intentional to some degree. Photo 509 was removed first. I realize that its more interesting to make things more ominous than they are but this is a very sad case of two naive girls who were totally unprepared for their adventure and very sadly got lost, injured and succumbed to nature. I think investigation isnt the correct word. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path.