Please check out my YouTube channel, MsPsychic Sleuth. Investigators said in the probable cause affidavit that they believe Allen is the man seen on the video. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. Im a real nice guy, I treat my commenters well, and Im basically this mild-mannered, unassuming, intellectual, professor type. Of course she did. Instead, their families are holding on to the hope that this is the year their killer is brought to justice. Update: We can now state that one of these documents is a search warrant, specifically for the Maxwell home. Thats actually how I was pointed to you because apparently, I copied from you (YouTube actually deleted these comments too ). I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. Why do kids play make-believe? Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. On and on. Even if somehow she didnt know about some surrounding neighbors, couldnt LE just show her (or FSG or the bickering couple in the park etc,) a pic of Mr. X and get verification that way? Clearly very familiar with the area of the crime and perhaps knew it as well as the back of his hand. I have an official case document here in my hand. RL couldnt have done it because he was violating the terms of his probation and was caught on camera drinking in a pizza parlor. LE would also be interested in anyone who may have helped Mr. X after the crime, perhaps burning evidence or whatever. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. There are fields behind his home! As far as the serial killer theory goes, I believe there's a good chance BG is already a serial killer or someone who will one day be a serial killer. In the years before his arrest, Miller had left numerous notes in public places saying the killer of Tinsley would strike again. Someone tries to fire the gun but it's a faulty bullet and it doesn't fire, or 2.) I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. Another user is talking about them also. This was a sex crime, a sex homicide. Theres no woman among them. Also, a copy of the police scanner is available showing that Mr. Xs wife is supposed to be coming to the site to retrieve Mr. Xs truck. I do not know why RRB is? I hav followed both cases very closely. There are some absolutely fascinating old rumors on there that I have never heard before, mostly having to do with Young BG and his possible presence or involvement at the crime scene. The family knew something was wrong. DELPHI, Ind. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. Yes, that is part of Leigh Kerrs testimony. Multiple, multiple deep stab wounds.. Five years later, Abigail Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were taken into custody Friday five years after Allen, 50, was found dead on a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, in February 2017. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. He is wearing a deer kit, which contains five different types of knives. The problem with this is that a searcher claims he searched the area where the girls were found the night of 2-13 and not only were the girls not there but none of the props were there either. Otherwise why do we have religions? I saw the local Delphi News footage from the week of the murders where they interview Ron Logan while they are actually searching his property. He has long been presumed to be their killer. They were folded on her chest. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. The Indiana State Superintendent of Police is proud of the arrest of an accused in the Delphi massacre. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. He is one of the first and only witnesses in this case!!. I get the impression that LE thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection. If u could see one, u could see the other. No, LK is the real deal. Familiarity with crime location: Extreme. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. In the search warrant application parts of which are redacted the agent reveals that the murderer would have been covered in the victims blood due to the large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene. After posting a few updates on Snapchat in the early afternoon hours, the girls were not seen or heard from again. is that creepy guy still following us?. The state has to prove it. Im really worried about people bothering or harming this guy and his family. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. We dont know why he asked permission to search Ron Logans land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team. BG is a 50 year old man. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. We have 250 members in our group. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Allen's lead defense attorney Brad Rozzi did not respond to a request for comment and fellow attorney Andrew Baldwin declined to comment. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. She wanted to meet up with him. Also, you develop better sources. If you have heard about this case and wish to discuss it, feel free. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. The doc is his property. There may never be an arrest in this case. For instance, if LE have a suspect, and they have a partial present in 10% of the population, this is one more bit of evidence that might point towards them having the right guy. Did he not see BG? Unverified. When Allen voluntarily spoke to police on Oct. 26, 2022, he said he never allowed anyone to borrow that gun, which he said he owned since 2001, the document added. Calling off the search the night the girls went missing was a really, really bad choice. Thats why he has those Packers boots on. Better to let your officers go home for a few hours so theyd be ready for work the next morning. by Anonymous reply 23 February 5, 2021 3:58 PM Indiana State Police said in February they knew who killed the girls, but that they had insufficient evidence to make an arrest. They think he did it, but as far as real, good, hard evidence that will stand up in court, theres not a lot there. If comments start getting out of hand please feel free to report, though. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Same with Evansdale probably too. Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. I am sure he was asked. The main suspects DNA is found in the forest around the crime scene. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. These are simply unverified rumors. Your email address will not be published. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. According to Leaker, this is correct. I also thought about whether the finders might have covered a body somewhat, but assume that they would have reported that anyway. If it was Abbys phone this would imply she had a phone, he somehow got her number, he connected to a cell tower to send media, and then he took the phone. The man has never been identified. The last person on Earth to protect the killer is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul. The Narcotics detective did not work on the case. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. If others want to dig around and find out who he is, thats their business. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. Bodies are also posed sometimes as a warning or message, like in revenge killings by the Mafia and various gangs, including narcos. Apparently neither girl was a virgin and both girls were sexually active in terms of PIV sex. The accusation is that she knows something or knows way too much and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. Busy location with a diner nearby. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. However, the investigators have made it clear over the years that they are not yet ready to release further information about what happened to the teens. See the photo Weve got a secret? We think the secret is that one girl is pregnant. I think perhaps I saw the same things this guy did. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. 9) He has killed before. On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. I tend to agree. Cops have told us more than they told any of those guardians. Kelsi German has been cleared. Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. They had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrespecting their parents/guardians by running off to a friends house just to show up later. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. I ask this because another theory says they could have gone up the creek to a barn and then they should have dry clothes. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. He said he had lost his keys and was going to call his wife to bring a spare set of keys to him.