Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182 four-seater, crashed on a small island between Hackberry and Big Lake, near Pete Seay Circle. The National Transportation Safety Board tweeted Wednesday that it was investigating the crash but would not travel to the site. Winds will ease into the evening. It gave a number of details about the circumstances of the flight but did not indicate what caused the crash. Correct! Then there is the possibility of an elevator control malfunction, causing a nose down attitude. Give Light and the People Will Find Their Own Way. Hard to think of anything that makes sense here. I only read that the witnesses saw the bottom of the aircraft with no rotation and thought flat attitude. 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(KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. BATON ROUGE - A man arrested for running Saturday AM Forecast: Today's weather will be near perfect. A Navy fighter pilot presumed dead after two jets crashed Friday over the Pacific Ocean was identified Sunday as Lt. Nathan Poloski of Lake Arrowhead . Authorities first got a call around 5:47 p.m. Tuesday of a plane flying low, then disappearing, Cameron Parish Sheriff Don Johnson said Tuesday evening. An obituary for Rock Palermo can be found HERE. At impact, the remaining two blades cause the crankshaft to shear aft of the propeller flange. You keep flying the airplane. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. ------------------------------------------------------------Stay in touch with us anytime, anywhere. According to the airplane broker, on the day of the accident the private pilot called to report that he had just completed a 1-hour flight in the accident airplane to satisfy the insurance policy requirements. Speaking with Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson, KPLC reports that Johnson said the bodies are believed to be Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements. A man who was the pilot and attorney for a southwest Louisiana sheriffs office and a second person were killed when their small plane crashed in a neighboring parish, apparently during a flying lesson. Other questions:subscriberservices@theadvocate.com. He was a lifetime member of the Louisiana Coastal Conservation Association (CCA), which is a non-profit organization dedicated to the conservation of Louisianas marine resources. NEW ORLEANS (AP) The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. This one is just tough.". The plane has crashed near Hackberry in Cameron Parish on Tuesday night. The NTSB report outlines the final moments the craft was in flight. In lieu of flowers, donation can be made to the music mission at First United Methodist Church in Lake Charles or to a charity of your choice. CG forward of the forward limit? Don't get taken in by the constant criticism of NTSB and FAA efforts. Would like to ask for a line of discussion about the lack of a mayday call, which hasn't been previously discussed in this thread. The National Transportation Safety Board said the single-engine plane crashed around 9:30 a.m. Answer: He didn't find it. All rights reserved. This proposed AD would require inspecting the tailcone and horizontal stabilizer for corrosion and cracks and repairing or replacing damaged parts as necessary. He can then use it becoming "lost" to push the "NTSB is at fault for not being on site" canard. On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed Tuesday night when the small plane they were in crashed in Cameron Parish. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National. 7 California, No. Paul Skenes fans a career high 13 in No. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed Tuesday night when the small plane they were in crashed in Cameron Parish. Visitation services will be held on Friday, February 5, 2021, between 4 p.m. and 8 p.m. with a Scripture Service to be held at 6:30 p.m. at Trinity Baptist Church, 1800 Country Club Rd., Lake Charles. They will update with funeral arrangements and honors at a future date. JohnsontoldKPLC-TV that the second occupant, Richard Don Clements, was believed to be a student of Palermos. High speed nose down impact. The youtube guy's 3rd dramatic video came out but has no photo or any mention about the missing blade. @ http://kirtlandflightcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/C182-POH.pdf notes that "Prompt lowering of the nose to maintain airspeed and establish a glide attitude is the first response to an engine failure" and a Figure indicating at a 'speed 70 kias, prop windmilling, flaps up, zero wind" the ideal glide distance from 4,000 AGL to ground is 6 miles." Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Certified flight instructors who own Plane Simple Flight School learned from Palermo. His half scale model Spacewalker needs to weigh 400 lbs in order to replicate prop disc effects faithfully. Later 182's do not.https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/11/02/2020-24046/airworthiness-directives-textron-aviation-inc-airplanes. There is a long standing agreement between the NTSB and the FAA that the NTSB, because of being short-staffed, has the official authority and do relegate most general aviation accidents solely to the FAA. As noted earlier, The airplane reached about 4,500 ft above ground level (agl), as the airspeed decreased.and "recorded ADS-B data distance From: 4,325 feet @ 29.9898 -93.3416 To: Wreckage and Impact Information Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est) has a Calculated Distance Straight line distance of only 1.28 miles"Apparent mechanical failure, or failure in the cabin.. "The crankshaft sheared aft of the propeller flange. I hope the the NTSB will be able to determine a cause other than undetermined loss of control. There is an FAA order (8020-11D) that outlines the entire concept of the hand-off of certain accident investigations. AD is for problems that showed up on the tail draggers.Models 182 through 182D airplanes have the same tailcone design as Model 185-series tail draggers. Wednesday afternoon, a procession was held as Palermo was brought to a Jennings funeral home, click here for more. Louisianaauthoritieshad identified the pilot earlier as Richard Don Clements and his instructor as Rock Palermo. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. That noted, my betting-bux is on 'something else' being 'the root cause' behind this puzzling crash. He was preceded in death by his father, Richard Don Clements, Sr. but is survived by his mother, Carolyn Joy Templeton Clements and his brother, Kirk Alan Clements, both of whom reside in Denton, Texas. Id say he just wasnt able to retrieve from wherever it was. Joseph Rock Palermo, III, 55, passed away on February 2, 2021. Don and his wife, Nancy chaired the Big Lake Invitational Fishing Tournament for many years. Probable causes are generally given in final reports, which can take a year or more. 2 engine failed after takeoff. Ive known Dan a few years although I havent talked to him in awhile but if he said he found it then Id say he found it. "Tue 06:41:31 PM 29.9490 -93.3408 351 110 127 4,225 367 Climbing Tue 06:41:50 PM 29.9582 -93.3425 352 116 133 4,275 Level Tue 06:42:06 PM 29.9667 -93.3437 356 115 132 4,225 47 Climbing Tue 06:42:22 PM 29.9747 -93.3442 359 95 109 4,300 214 Climbing Tue 06:42:41 PM 29.9824 -93.3438 9 82 94 4,350 36 Climbing Tue 06:43:04 PM 29.9898 -93.3416 20 66 76 4,325 -205 Descending Tue 06:43:25 PM Tue 06:43:25 PM 29.9947 -93.3391 29 56 64 4,200 -357 Descending. Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:57 am to Lithium. In a typical configuration, it has 178 seats . But all the groundspeed points at the end are low. The fuel selector valve was found positioned to feed from both fuel tanks. Youtube guy Dan Gryder claims to have found the third blade at the crash site. Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso spoke at a press conference on Wednesday morning. Records show that the day's first flight ended about 2:36 p.m. As a result of inadequate maintenance, the aircraft's No. 6. The Martin 404 aircraft was heading to . LSU pitcher Paul Skenes LSU women's basketball beats Georgia 83-66 in SEC Tournament matchup. Bold criminal secretly relaunched massage parlor prostitution ring as he cut a Federal, local dollars at work clearing waterways in EBR. The 182Q N4765N accident aircraft does not have the tailcone design that the AD applies to. Run-away trim that led to??? Forget previous post where I stated "slow airspeed". Airspeed remained just above wing stall all the way to the ground. Another partial owner of the plane told investigators that the pilot had just bought a share of the aircraft and was accumulating flight hours to get rated for complex and high-performance planes, according to the report. Records show that the days first flight ended about 2:36 p.m. Stony Plain pilot Michael Clements has died following a plane crash in Spokane, Washington, reports a . Palermo was an attorney for the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office, they said. Don't count on him providing a true photo of that blade, dug out of the sand bar.The grieving families will suffer his "leaving it" as cruelty. But in this case, the airplane attitude was flat with nose close to the horizon, wings level (except for the last turn to the east), all the way to impact. To day & Tonight : The Temperatures across the Friday PM Forecast: starting weekend cooler then trending warmer. It is a detailed order of 40+ pages. BATON ROUGE - Friday, the LSU Tigers participated in the Podium Challenge, a gymnastics club meet featuring teams from California, Washington and George Washington Universities. He could not have been prouder of his children. Hes the guy who trains everybody to do what we do. The airplane impacted soft ground on an island about 1.5 nautical miles northeast of Hackberry. Don was dearly loved by the entire Shaddock family, numerous relatives and friends. They consider him a mentor and the best pilot they knew. A Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas are to investigate the crash, KPLC-TV reported. During a news conference livestreamed by the station, Mancuso said that when talking with Palermos wife, I joked that Rock was only an attorney so he could have a hobby of being a policeman and a pilot. (KPLC) - Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, Cameron Sheriff Don Johnson said. Accused murderer cleared by Baton Rouge jury after representing himself in court, released from jail, School accused of ignoring sexual misconduct of student later arrested in high-profile rape case. BATON ROUGE - One week into Lent and the crawfish market is seeing one of its first significant drops of the season. Hes just one of those people you cant replace.. Cameron Sheriff: Two bodies recovered from plane crash near Hackberry, La. Well, if the cause is "something else" there is zero chance that we'll find out anything about it through a non-existent investigation by the NTSB or the FAA. Yes indeed! The airplane began a slow descent, which increased rapidly until the final recorded point. There are no survivors. AGENCY:Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT.ACTION:Notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM).SUMMARY:The FAA proposes to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for all Textron Aviation Inc. (Textron) Models 180, 180A, 180B, 180C, 180D, 180E, 180F, 180G, 180H, 180J, 180K, 182, 182A, 182B, 182C, 182D, 185, 185A, 185B, 185C, 185D, 185E, A185E, and A185F airplanes. 0:00. In the hours after Nepal's deadliest plane crash for 30 years, a video went viral in India - it showed one of the victims, Sonu Jaiswal, livestreaming from the plane just seconds before the crash. While at LSU Law School he was selected to the Moot Court Board. This is certainly one of the most mysterious 182 crashes in recent history. The last of ADS-B data from Flight Aware only shows the start of the incident. The bodies were identified as Rock Palermo and Richard Don Clements, Mancuso said in a news conference. @Trimble - No CFI would roll or allow his student to roll a 182.Your first paragraph seems to be describing a loop, not a roll. Could forward CG tail stall and slow airspeed be maintained (full aft elevator, lack of elevator authority) all the way to the ground with nose down? Observation Facility, Elevation: KLCH,9 ft msl, Distance from Accident Site: 9 Nautical Miles, Wind Speed/Gusts, Direction: 4 knots / , 200, Latitude, Longitude: 30.009412,-93.330048 (est). Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry on Tuesday, Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso announced Wednesday. He was a certified flight instructor and passed on his joy of flying to many. The report did not identify any witnesses by name. Copyright 2021 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. The Veron Bice family is saddened by the loss of our founding partner, Rock Palermo. 1 LSU's big win over Butler. This is the perfect weekend to get outdoors! I just watched Dan Gryder's part III video. The demonizing of the NTSB over not traveling to this accident included the untruthful claim "I found the missing blade". Figure 1 shows the end of the recorded flight track and the accident location. NEW ORLEANS The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. There was a problem saving your notification. "It is a great loss for the department and the entire community," officials said at a press conference, "It didn't matter the time of day or night who was in trouble, if it was in another parish and they needed our plane he would jump in and take over.". Wind Advisory in effect for the entire WBRZ Thursday PM Forecast: overnight showers, storms and gusty wind. The wings had separated from the fuselage and were crushed aft to the rear wing spar. In 2012 Don completed a lifetime goal of traveling to Africa and climbing Mt. The private pilot and flight instructor were fatally injured. Spokane police video captures emergency response to Michael Clements' crash. Looks like they circled a couple times and tried to head back to the airport. Thrown blade and resulting immediate out of balance could have ripped an engine mount, canted the engine in some way creating horrendous aerodynamics and an unrecoverable dive? BATON ROUGE, La. The empennage was crushed and distorted. Visualize being the FAA rep on scene for parts recovery when the hub was pulled up with one blade missing. Don Clements will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday, February 6, and funeral at 3 p.m. Click here to see Calcasieu Parish Sheriff Tony Mancuso and District Attorney Stephen Dwight speak about what it was like to know Rock Palermo. NTSB, do your job. Don Clement's will be having a visitation from 12 p.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday . I propose that they had been doing training for an hour or so in a practice area, were returning to the airport traveling in a straight line for many miles, when they got within eyesight of the airport and were thinking the fun was almost over, for whatever reason, they attempted a slow roll to the left, they had forward CG (close to, at, or beyond limits is not known, but probably somewhere forward), so when they went over the top and were inverted, the nose started to fall to the ground. Good point, thanks. 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It flew great with a two-blade prop. Based solely on the description of the situation, sounds to me like they decided to try to do a slow roll and screwed it up. Mancuso was visibly upset by his passing as spoke to those assembled, "He is one of those people you can't replace.". Sign up for newsletters emailed to your inbox. Two bodies have been recovered from the wreckage of a plane that went down near Hackberry Tuesday, KPLC reports. Don was a member of the Krewe of Contraband. HACKBERRY, La. a practice stall , with a forward C of G ? BATON ROUGE - A man arrested for running Friday PM Forecast: starting weekend cooler then trending warmer. Two witnesses told investigators that the plane plunged nose-down, without any rotation. Nothing in the report suggests "airplane attitude was flat with nose close to the horizon. His most cherished hobby, passed on by his father, was flying. Two bodies were removed from the plane that crashed Tuesday evening on a small island near Hackberry, Cameron Parish Sheriff Ron Johnson told news agencies. Fatal flight: full fuel and two heavy guys in the front. In what way am I misinterpreting my observations?BTW, I'm a low-time private pilot who owned a C172 in the late'90s, and I've also logged about forty hours in a C182. At the time of his death, Don was a partner in the Global Asset Management Group (Raymond James) in Lake Charles, LA. Don was the epitome of what a student should be. Smoke in the cockpit that turned into a wiring fire behind the panel is a possibility not yet mentioned that might fit the circumstances. Provided by Lake Charles KPLC Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in a plane crash near Hackberry, on Tuesday, Feb. 2, 2021. Don was a talented guitarist and was a treasured member of the worship team at First United Methodist Church. I'd expect the model to be MUCH more sensitive to 'prop-disc-effects' than the man-carrying versionwhich is not to suggest they don't exist for a full-sized C-182. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. The engine sustained significant impact damage and was saturated with mud. File photo of police lights (iStockPhoto). Flight control cable continuity was established for all flight control surfaces through tensile overload separations in several locations. On Feb. 2, 2021, an aircraft went down, killing both men on board, Rock Palermo and Don Clements. Rock touched many, many people and this is about as tough a loss as you can get for this office and this community, Mancuso said. Probably doing some night flying just to stay current. The plane, a single-engine Cessna 182. The plane then submerged, he told. In fact, during his training with Palermo, Kerbow says there was an emergency. I forgot to mention that the model Spacewalker with the three-blade prop would immediately recover and glide normally if I shut the engine off, too. (KPLC) . Clements, 61, was flying alone from Alberta, Canada, to California on Feb. 22, 2015. Just one comment, not trying to be judgmental. There was a small plane crash near Hackberry, LA on Tuesday, February 2, 2021. An uncontrollable dive in an otherwise intact 182 certainly brings the elevator performance into the picture.Thanks for including the link to the FAA's "Dirty Dozen" of human-factor issues related to maintenance practices - good reading for 182 owners. Rock Palermo and Don Clements were killed in the crash, Johnson said. He is survived by his wife, Nancy, and their children, Mary Kathryn and Will. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. If so, the wreckage would bear witness to that once the mud is removed. NEW ORLEANS (AP) The pilot who died in a Feb. 2 plane crash in Louisiana had just bought a share in the aircraft, and the other man killed in the crash was his instructor, the National Transportation Safety Board reported Thursday. Cameron Parish and Calcasieu Parish authorities worked throughout the night investigating the crash, but are turning over the investigation to a Federal Aviation Administration crew out of Baton Rouge and a National Transportation Safety Board team out of Dallas. Palermo was an instructor on the flight and Clements was a student. Youll never convince me other than it was a catastrophic failure of the aircraft because Rock knew exactly what to do, said Thompson. Detailed metalurgical examination of the two blades and hub for known indicators of overspeed may be able to differentiate loss of blade in normal flight from loss by overspeed. LAKE CHARLES, La. Baton Rouge man arrested in Ascension horse theft; one adult, two minors Southern University AgCenter's Livestock Show celebrates its 80th anniversary, St. John's big inning hands Southeastern second straight loss, Coach Kim Mulkey talks LSU's record-tying season. CG was okay. He stated that the private pilot completed the flight maneuvers well and he did not notice anything of concern. If they weren't stuck with tunnel vision grip on full aft yoke, they could have pushed forward and added power to get the tail plane flying again and regained control. It's their job to travel to accident sites to determine the cause. But, if it were to happen that fast, it would be likely that they would have smelled exhaust in time to do something about it.
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