The FSF is incorporated in Boston, Massachusetts, USA. There is no single line in the cited text from Stallman in your linked article that supports your claim that he supports phedophilia in anyway. Looks like at least one member of that list was not, however, and misreported his comments. Turned out it was a much deeper and more insightful question than it seemed at first. Try arguing in court that a 73 year old man being propositioned by a 17 year old girl he had only recently met could reasonably have believed that she was a willing participant. No more argument, no more bullshit, you can't have "consentual pedophilia because THEY CAN'T CONSENT. Richard Stallman has 1 job listed on their profile. not entrust that to some company — is right. Really, the media needs to stop. Just because you don't know what words mean doesn't mean you should take out your ignorant interpretations on other people. Why would a young woman of intelligence accept such an invitation? I don't think RMS meant to try to argue the definition of sexual assault in general, only that his friend didn't intend to assault that girl. That's not what happened though. After knowing the guy for 40+ years, he felt like Minsky wasn't the type to rape underage (or any age) women. No new comments can be posted. But here we see another problem: I can afford to say this openly because I am a nobody. At the end of his secondary studies, (1970) he found a first job at the IBM Scientific Center in New York and began writing his first program for IBM … Great way to undermine a movement. Indeed, if anything he's seeking to protect victims of assault by assuring that their suffering isn't perceived as lesser due to the watering down of the term. But many people now believe I defended him -- and other inaccurate claims -- and [I] feel a real hurt because of what they believe I said. Please don't pay to use a pay toilet. Born in (born March 16, 1953), Manhattan, Richard Stallman became acquainted with a computer at high school, in 1969, at the age of 16 years. principle (and setting examples ourselves). The girl in question was 17, not 12. And sure, there are lots of things you don't put in writing. That she's using this misunderstanding to push a misandrist policy of denigrating men makes her an imbecile that requires strong criticism for her sexism. They have their reputation, fortune, freedom, and even life to lose. Any public figure knows you NEVER write anything down--especially in an electronic medium that is so easily propagated--that you don't want your worst enemy to read.Hell, anybody working in an office knows that. There are 800+ professionals named "Stallman", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. And that the apparent actual purpose was to confiscate the fortunes of others. And there's a big difference between the common meaning of 'statutory rape' and 'sexual assault'. In German law two 14 year olds can consent to each other to have sex. In a fucked up country perhaps, where you get indoctrinated with that believe from child hood on. A person of influence who dismissed this very unreliable accusation would risk being accused of trying to cover up abuse. View the profiles of professionals named "Stallman" on LinkedIn. !If Minsky did not know she is coerced into having sex with him: he is not guilty, everything else is: irrelevant!! Very disingenuous. This using evidence and investigation, and due process. To defend the such an innocent person is a heroic act. And why would he? That's rape because there's no informed consent. While an early advocate, RMS is not the open source movement; conflating the two is the work of 'useful idiots' with a variety of agendas. Unfortunately, if you leave out that context, it is ea. Headlines say that I defended Epstein. Whether Minksy had sex with her or turned her down seems important. Minsky went with Epstien to his island and the girl had sex with him, and there was no monetary exchange between the two of them that we know of. Correction, as someone else posted below, it is only 16 in US Virgin Islands if the other party is of similar age, otherwise 18. Marvin Minsky is dead. It seems to me that what RMS was saying was "My dead friend allowed himself to be seduced by a 17 year old woman, and that was wrong, but it's not the same as dragging a 17 year old woman into an alleyway and forcing yourself on her, and I think the distinction is important. RMS was not speaking for public consumption. Pay toilets are nasty, and ought to be illegal. View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. Bullshit. In my judgment, Minsky knew or should have known or should have figured out whether her consent was given freely and without coercion. Licenses & Certifications Exam 463: Implementing a Data Warehouse with Microsoft SQL Server 2012/2014 Microsoft Issued May 2019. I had to significantly modify the economic model that I was working on at the time, even though Stallman's main surface point was that he could not care less about such trivialities as money and economic models for "free" software. The coverage totally mischaracterised my statements. LinkedIn implements censorship on behalf of the repressive Chinese state. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. The word âoeassaultingâ presumes that he applied force or violence, insome unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing.Only that they had sex.We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is thatshe presented herself to him as entirely willing. Read what RMS actually said, not what the press claimed he said. The business of waiting until long after the statute of limitations just gives the whole thing a strange list of "why's". But if you hire a prostitute and only later find out that she was coerced into sleeping with you under threat of death will you consider yourself a rapist? He was convicted as a sex offender for running an e… I know people who have experience in this matter. If you're going to say something then take full ownership. As Richard Stallman explains it, free as in “free speech,” not free as in “free beer.” With just $1 / day, use our online tool to edit the stories and republish with your branding, logo & watermark. or not. Mind you Stallman wasn't doubting that it's a crime. The views expressed here are my personal views, not those of the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Project. Yes but being the law doesn't make it right or wrong. Verbatim copying and redistribution of this entire page are It's a complicated world. This is probably impossible. In plenty of cultures that is a normal thing, while not very common, obviously. Minsky is unable to defend himself and I never said he was innocent.It is interesting to hear from someone who was there and witnessed the event around which is so much speculation is being flung, kinda like your second sentence. Pedophilia (alternatively spelt paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children. | Follow Slashdot on LinkedIn × Richard Stallman Accosted For Tinfoil Hat 549. ), The deposition is here: https://drive.google.com/file/... [google.com] Minsky screwed up in a bad way, and painful as it is we just have to confront that. Linux is one of those projects. After looking over her attempt to summon a rage mob against RMS, reading RMS's response to her screed, and RMS's original statement that triggered her, as far as I'm concerned, she's unemployable. Check out all of SourceForge’s improvements. Maybe he thought Epstien paid her or something. 85 minuti, in italiano, raccontano un pezzo fondamentale della rivoluzione software degli ultimi anni. Social media is in effect censoring people because of the outrage mob mentality that comes with anything slightly triggering. This you do because it is the right thing to do.RMS was not defending Marvin Minsky. He did, but he didn't do it in a crystal clear way that couldn't be misconstrued. [1][2] Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12,[3] criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. I'm reminded of Spock's closing dialog with T'Pring in "Amok Time". I appreciate the argument that Stallman is trying to make, and would a, "[I]t is morally absurd to define ârapeâ(TM) in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17.". So statutory rape is only relevant to armchair jurists who want to impose their own state's morality on the rest of the world. Mis-construe something someone said and then sic the outrage mob on them. I mean... Minsky? After her first menstruation she can have sex. Yes, they did. In asiai the mantra is: age is just a number. A guy who gets drunk at a party and has sex with a 16 year old girl (or I think 13 in Florida) has committed statutory rape. The fact that you'll pull your usual "Public masturbation of" crap in reply to this response shocks me not at all, despite being entirely unwelcome. At the very least Minsky should have known better. That's the issue here, that he is trying to defend what Minsky did by arguing that he was ignorant of the situation. An anonymous comment describing memories from twenty years ago that suggest someone is 'creepy around women.' Gregory Benford [pjmedia.com], who was on the island as part of a technical conference at the time (which Epstein threw, whether for noble or nefarious reasons is unclear), said that it never happened. The burden of evidence falls upon the one making the accusation. This is my position, here is why I feel it is valid where yours is not and if that does not make you change your mind then we shall continue to disagree.". Pedophilia, however, means having sex with somebody under 13. and remembered events differently to those presented as fact, Re: Taking out the open source movement with the S, Not pedophilia [Re:Taking out the open source', Re:Not pedophilia [Re:Taking out the open source', Literally true, but that kind of misses the point, Re: Literally true, but that kind of misses the po, RMS has chosen the wrong side in this debate, Defeating Trump, Joe Biden Declared Winner of US Presidential Election, Trump Attacks Legitimate Vote-Counting Efforts and Claims Fraud Without Basis, America Now Has Most COVID-19 Deaths in the World -- 20% of All Fatalities. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. Sorry but if they are not adults THEY CANNOT CONSENT period the end. Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software MovementSeptember 16, 2019We are…See this and similar jobs on LinkedIn. That is surely a conspiracy that goes deep. profile, refused Well thats a rather uncharitable way to talk about a child. Interviste a Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Eric Raymond e tutti i protagonisti di questa rivoluzione, sovrapposte alla storia di un sistema operativo, Linux, e di una comunità di hacker che si confrontano con Microsoft e le altre grandi multinazionali del software. Extending an unimpeachable veracity and inability to dissemble to all women seems a bit odd don't we think? That utterly shocks me. +1 InterestingThis will prolly not get any notice from the SJW crowd. If he's never around children, never looks at child porn, whatever, he's still a pedophile. Activities and Societies: -Chairman of the organizing committee of the Richard Stallman's conference ( American software freedom activist and programmer). For current political commentary, see the daily political notes.. RMS's Bio | The GNU Project (see definition here: https://www.psychologytoday.co... [psychologytoday.com] ). Ah yes, the newest definition of rape: insufficient suavete. View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. Because we would not even be having this discussion without slippery slope in action. Java EE 'Goes All In' on Open Source with Jakarta EE 8, Europe's Space Industry Is Working On Reusable Rockets With Environmentally-Friendly Fuel. At this stage of the conversation, we have only righteous outrage. There are lots of things that you put in writing to CYA. Women do sometimes like to sleep with older men because they're rich and famous or extremely close to someone who is (as do younger men with older wealthy women). Uhhhh you DO know that Stallman also defended pedophilia...right? self-serving Told me about it. requirement. The article you linked is another of the ones that Stallman points out mis-interpreted what he said. So, in your opinion, (self) censorship is the solution? It says she went to the private island in order to have sex with Minsky. And note that one of the most famous victims, Jaques de Molay, was a man. It should all be in the cloud governed by faceless public corporations who can always blame any transgressions on careless subordinates and have their leadership replaced and changed at whim by their shadowy owners. In any case, whatever the distinction is I don't think it's anywhere near enough to excuse Minsky's actions, which is what RMS appears to be trying to do. refused According to his later clarification, he pissed off a lot of people who were to stupid to "get" what he was saying.He does this a lot. You don't get to say that "this sexual assault victim decided not to speak up for years and therefore is a bit hazy about. That is how most people understand it too I think, e.g. Perhaps this is effective only for users of the most common Share your content as Videos, Web Stories, WebTV, or full immersive content in social channels. #believeher . And with all of the support, very little psychological damage. That's right. Have AIDS and don't tell your partner? There's a pretty good reason why she waited so long, and specifically until after Minksy was dead and could no longer defend himself: It's because nothing happened [archive.is]. Can't be so hard to grasp. And you don't think we should fight for a world in which people can say what they mean and not be vilified by those with a low reading comprehension? Legally speaking even if you are mislead into committing a crime, it's still a crime. The 15 year old may have believed they were a willing participant but the law does not recognise their ability to consent. There are 10+ professionals named "Richard Stallman", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. I don't think it makes him a horrible rapist and we should shred his books and burn him in effigy, but it's a moral failing to see a young girl in a situation that has all kinds of warning signs and to just be content that, well, she didn't say she was being trafficked so it's OK. Ignore the weak ending that advises people not to stand on Richard’s education is listed on their profile. Copyright © 2021 SlashdotMedia. And why the funk would she not have sex with a 70 year old? "I want to respond to the misleading media … Taking out the open source movement with the SJWs! I don't think it's particularly hilarious, but it seems apt. The basic rule was that when you were accused there was no way to prove yourself innocent. Was she dissembling? Those of us who are not poor can afford the price, if we accept the practice; poor people can't. The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. It's not morally absurd to say that adults should not be having sex with children. No, wrong. There is something about this long waiting period that is rather strange. I would like to believe that RMS just phrased it incorrectly, but in his response post he only says he was not defending Epstien. You should probably keep your "well. Did they have sex? It certainly would have lent a lot of credence credence to her version of events if she would have immediately reported it. permitted provided this notice is preserved. Looks as if you failed your biology class. There are 900+ professionals named "Stallman", who use LinkedIn to exchange information, ideas, and opportunities. Plus, the girl was only 17 at the time, possibly making it illegal in that jurisdiction (I don't know, what is the age of consent there?). See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. I'm lucky you are not a judge ... or in a jury. Our unique network of experts and innovators share Without evidence, you wouldn't assume the. According to RMS' original email he was defending an intellectual ideal. RMS supposes that Minsky knew nothing about that and that Eppstein did the coercion.So no: Minsky did nothing wrong! If we can't say that without "undermining the movement" then we have a problem, because apparently the movement isn't bigger than just RMS and legitimate criticism isn't allowed. What a waste of time! It was a total non-apology. There are good reasons that crimes like rape have statues of limitations. Rape is sex without informed consent. View the profiles of professionals named "Stallman" on LinkedIn. In most countries it is not. The adult broke the law, and committed a serious sexual assault. ...but what it doesn't say is that she actually had sex with Minsky. Could be. Fortunately it's really easy to avoid breaking this law. Is that so hard to grasp for you? I don't think he was being pedantic in this case, he was trying to defend his friend (Minsky). Whatever conduct you want to criticize, you should describe it with a specific term that avoids moral vagueness about the nature of the criticism.". Nobody was saying RMS is pro-Epstein, just that RMS's comments that "sexual assault" shouldn't apply to a underage prostitute who was a victim of sex trafficking, as a means of defending a friend, is wildly offensive. political notes. I'm pretty sure the people who turned this into "news" know that too. I feel like I have to add a disclaimer that I'm not at _ALL_ defending Epstein, but there are some useful facts. No, I understand very clearly that it's extremely possible to be unaware that the person with whom you're interacting is being coerced. There may be more comments in this discussion. I downloaded them and found the part about Minsky. My wife was assaulted by a co-worker, reported it to me immediately, then the business owner, who flew down immediately and took care of everything. (Also, rms has been tenured for so long that his understanding of economics is minimal. If you're going to make a claim that serious, you need to cite a source. The girl who allegedly had sex with Minsky was allegedly with Epstein around roughly 1999-2002. The age of consent is 18. All moralists here have to admit this and shut up. If the person is under the age of consent, whatever that is, it's rape. There are actual trials in actual courts of law where yes, women have been found to lie under oath. not seem like it could have escaped a man of that intellect except through explicitly choosing not to think about it. He was kind of creepy around women. See the complete profile on LinkedIn and discover Richard’s connections and jobs at similar companies. View Richard Stallman’s profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. So a 56 year age gap (73 and 17 at the time) would have made it illegal even if she had consented, or Minsky believed she had consented. I'm sorry for publicly announcing my half-considered stupid viewpoint in defense of a friend. On modern versions of macOS, you simply can’t power on your computer, launch a text editor or eBook reader, and write or read, without a log of your activity being transmitted and stored. You should never defend anyone who's being subjected to a witch hunt. Recent AMD processors have a similar problem, but we do not yet have an article about it. by Reasons not to use Intel. Posted by CowboyNeal on Saturday November 19, 2005 @11:04AM from the of-all-the-reasons dept. Stallman is a nutter about many things, but here he appears to have been dragged by SJWs for his take on crimes that never occurred. A trafficked sex slave who waited more than ten years to report it to the police, pretty much guaranteeing that not only will all evidence have vanished but the statute of limitations will probably have expired even if some evidence does miraculously turn up? Can it be proven at this point? I am not sure if you are correct or not, but I would like to see more investigation into Epstein. Note that even the crappy original NYT story never tries to claim that anything happened, and Greg Benford [wikipedia.org], who was there with Minsky, says specifically that nothing happened. You might even argue that coercion is worse, especially given the way Epstien did it that resulted in multiple assaults over a prolonged period of time and which allowed him to keep doing it repeatedly for years. Just because you can not imagine yourself wanting sex with a 70 year old? Yeah, that's a really plausible story. Just a few leaks and you win. All pedophila is statutory rape, but not all statutory rape is pedophilia. | Follow Slashdot on LinkedIn × Richard Stallman Challenges 'Misleading' Coverage of His Comments on Marvin Minsky (stallman.org) 383. LinkedIn makes it "near impossible" to sign up without giving the company your address book . She wrote down all the details about ten years or so after the events discussed... and then burned it. Famed computer scientist Richard Stallman has resigned from his position at MIT over recent comments he made concerning Jeffrey Epstein’s … If you remove the rounding errors and make her 20 and him 70 its a 50 year old age difference. I've called him a "serial rapist", and said he deserved to be imprisoned. restrictions on what information users can put in the In criminal and especially controversial situations where you are not involved, it's best not to comment or invent hypotheticals. He just nitpicked at which exact kind of crime it could be. 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